E&OE TRANSCRIPT
SUBJECTS: Israel restricting UNWRA; NDIS Commission reforms; disability foundational supports
BRIDGET BRENNAN, HOST: We're going to bring in Bill Shorten now, the Minister for the NDIS. We'll get to the new penalties for those caught rorting the NDIS in a moment. But first Bill Shorten, welcome to News Breakfast. Can we get your reaction to Israel's decision to cut ties with UNWRA?
BILL SHORTEN, MINISTER FOR THE NDIS AND GOVERNMENT SERVICES: Well, there's a lot of Palestinian people who are not members of Hamas who are suffering, and we've got to make sure they're getting food and aid. Obviously, this is a breaking decision. I'll find out what our foreign affairs people are saying, but there's innocent civilians caught up in this and they've got to get food and aid. I think that's just a - like, there's no there's no way around that. And that's got to happen.
BRENNAN: Well, Australia was part of a coalition of Western governments, including Canada, France, Germany calling on Israel to halt this legislation. The UK's foreign Secretary says in his view, this is a rebuke to every friend of Israel. Why is Israel not listening to its allies, Bill Shorten?
SHORTEN: Well, you'd have to ask Israel that. I'm aware that there were some employees of UNWRA who were connected to Hamas, but what you've got is you've got hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, and they're the ones who are suffering, and they're the ones who we've got to prioritise. And if that's the case, I guess the international community has got to put to Israel that you've got to look after the civilians. You've got to try and help them. It's not their fault.
BRENNAN: No. All right. Well, let's move to the crucial reforms of the NDIS. This is another stage of that. We know there are grifters, shonks, criminals accessing the NDIS, trying to infiltrate the NDIS. What will be the penalties now for people doing the wrong thing?
SHORTEN: Well, I must say at the outset, the NDIS is changing the lives of hundreds of thousands of people with profound and severe disabilities for the better, and most service providers are doing an outstanding job. But the sad fact is that where there's government money, some, there is opportunistic, unethical and at times illegal behaviour going on where people with disabilities are being treated as human ATMs.
We've been cracking down and making a record investment to tighten up the payment system to go after the shonks, we've proposed yesterday, new laws, which we'll talk to the liberals and the states about, and the disability sector, where we want to increase the penalties. We want to make the NDIS a no-go zone for crooks, and we will do whatever it takes to make sure that the social licence of the NDIS is unimpeachable.
As I say, most people are delivering great services and participants are getting benefits, but the fact is that there is a proportion of illegal behaviour and we want to make sure that we're emphasising the safety and quality for participants, not seeing ill-gotten profits made by a minority of sharks who are bottom dwellers and ripping off people with disability and taxpayers.
BRENNAN: So, Bill Shorten, who's the cop on the beat here? How does the investigation take place? Where should people refer allegations to?
SHORTEN: Great question. We have what's called the National Quality and Safeguards Commission, the NDIS, the agency administers the funds, and the Safeguards Commission is meant to handle complaints. Since I've been the Minister, we've tripled the number of people working at the Complaints Commission, and we've introduced proper modern IT so we can track, you know, criminal behaviour and inappropriate conduct. We've also set up a Fraud Fusion Task Force. This is 21 Commonwealth agencies for the first time talking to each other, plus state police. None of this was going on before I became the Minister. People were able to just put in invoices and just get cash transactions without an explanation. So, there were - to be honest, it was too tempting. There was a complete neglect, negligence and naivety under my predecessors about when you have a government scheme with billions of dollars, there just really was no checks and balances.
We've now, over the last two and a half years been putting that in. We've now got 56 people before the courts, hundreds of investigations, and we're now dealing with complaints on a much larger scale. I noticed Peter Dutton had a bit of a chip at me in his sort of trademark negativity. He said, oh, it should have happened earlier. Well, Pete, your party were in power for eight years and you did two bits of bugger all. We're now getting on with the job of making sure the scheme has integrity.
BRENNAN: Hey, Bill Shorten, does it worry you that there are still families of children with disabilities saying they can't get on the NDIS?
SHORTEN: It worries me when Australians with disability are not included in society. The NDIS wasn't for every Australian with a disability though. I know, I was there at the before the start of it. The scheme is for people with severe and profound disabilities. What's being - so I think there's two points to what you say. One is I think there has been a problem that the scheme sometimes is a two-class scheme. If you live in the cities, if you know, you know lots of allied health professionals, you can get on the scheme. But if you're in the bush, if your first language isn’t English, if you don't have access to a whole lot of health professionals, then it's harder to get on the scheme. So, what we're trying to do is create a consistent entry point. We want to have needs assessments, which are consistent, done by the government so that whoever you are, whatever your circumstance, you get the same, you know, equal access to the front door of the scheme, the other thing we're doing is that it's been great.
We've been working with the states, Peter Malinauskas in particular, has led the states on this very well, but all of them participate. We want to set up some services for people with disability who don't require the full orchestra of the NDIS, but still need some support. We're calling these foundational supports. In the next year we hope to get some of them established. My colleague Amanda Rishworth is working with the states, to set up services for people who don't need the full NDIS, but still need some support. And we're going to start with the kids.
BRENNAN: Great to talk to you Bill Shorten. Have a good day.
SHORTEN: Outstanding. Thank you.
